Comments on: Mastering the art of chain conjugation http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/ Japanese, Chinese, and a dash of Korean Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:42:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: agro http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6340 agro Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:44:16 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6340 My answers that differed grammatically, even if just a bit: 2) あまり嬉しそうにない / あまり嬉しそうに(は)見えない 4) 食べなくてもいいかも (essentially the same but without しれない) 5) 食べてもみなかった 6) 食べなかったみたい (essentially the same but without だ) 7) 食べたくなかったら食べなくてもいいよ (たら conditional instead of ば) 8) 食べてみなきゃって言われた 9) 食べさせられたくない (I neglected the past tense) 10) あまり食べない方がいいと思う 11) 食べたくないとしてももっといい断り方があるでしょう 12) いつも食べてばかりいると思うと今日食べないわけがない Interesting test. I'm really glad that I got stuffs that are exactly or essentially same :) My answers that differed grammatically, even if just a bit:

2) あまり嬉しそうにない / あまり嬉しそうに(は)見えない
4) 食べなくてもいいかも (essentially the same but without しれない)
5) 食べてもみなかった
6) 食べなかったみたい (essentially the same but without だ)
7) 食べたくなかったら食べなくてもいいよ (たら conditional instead of ば)
8) 食べてみなきゃって言われた
9) 食べさせられたくない (I neglected the past tense)
10) あまり食べない方がいいと思う
11) 食べたくないとしてももっといい断り方があるでしょう
12) いつも食べてばかりいると思うと今日食べないわけがない

Interesting test. I’m really glad that I got stuffs that are exactly or essentially same :)

]]> By: ジョン http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6331 ジョン Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:36:10 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6331 An interesting exercise! My replies for the ones that differed (comments welcome): 8. I was told that I must try to [Verb]. してみろと言われた。 11. Even if you didn’t want to [Verb], there’s a nicer way to refuse, isn’t there? したくなくても、もっと優しい断り方はなかったの？ 因みに、日本語の初歩を勉強しようとした頃（ほぼ4年前？）は、キムさんのサイトがものすごい役立ちましたよ。この間、久しぶりにキムさんのサイトを復習したら、忘れた、または知らなかった上級の文法のページがまた役に立ちました。いろいろ手伝ってくれてありがとうございます。 An interesting exercise! My replies for the ones that differed (comments welcome):

8. I was told that I must try to [Verb].
してみろと言われた。

11. Even if you didn’t want to [Verb], there’s a nicer way to refuse, isn’t there?
したくなくても、もっと優しい断り方はなかったの？

因みに、日本語の初歩を勉強しようとした頃（ほぼ4年前？）は、キムさんのサイトがものすごい役立ちましたよ。この間、久しぶりにキムさんのサイトを復習したら、忘れた、または知らなかった上級の文法のページがまた役に立ちました。いろいろ手伝ってくれてありがとうございます。

]]> By: taekk http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6305 taekk Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:46:19 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6305 That's fine. I kind of cheated when coming up with the examples because I thought of the Japanese then translated into English. That’s fine. I kind of cheated when coming up with the examples because I thought of the Japanese then translated into English.

]]> By: 警告：爆発性物質（非食用・外用のみ） http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6304 警告：爆発性物質（非食用・外用のみ） Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:23:05 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6304 I can happily produce this kind of thing if I'm speaking/writing Japanese, and translate it from Japanese to English, but I find it very difficult to go English > Japanese like this. I can happily produce this kind of thing if I’m speaking/writing Japanese, and translate it from Japanese to English, but I find it very difficult to go English > Japanese like this.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6284 Aaron Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:44:23 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6284 Maybe not conversation, but they appear all the time in writing. But looking back through your post I see you are focusing more on conversation than reading/writing. Maybe not conversation, but they appear all the time in writing. But looking back through your post I see you are focusing more on conversation than reading/writing.

]]> By: taekk http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6264 taekk Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:22:57 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6264 I don't know if such long phrases are practical in regular conversational Japanese however. I would think it would be broken up in pieces, in narrative form, normally. I don’t know if such long phrases are practical in regular conversational Japanese however. I would think it would be broken up in pieces, in narrative form, normally.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6263 Aaron Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:38:47 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6263 Not so much change conjugations, but I find long strung out adjectival/relative clauses to be a pain sometimes. Example: I couldn't find Bob's cute, brown hamster that at my homework. Should this be 私はボッブのかわいくて茶色い私の宿題を食べたハムスターを見つけられなかった。 OR 私は私の宿題を食べたボッブのかわいくて茶色いハムスターを見つけられなかった。 or some other variation? Not so much change conjugations, but I find long strung out adjectival/relative clauses to be a pain sometimes.

Example: I couldn’t find Bob’s cute, brown hamster that at my homework.
Should this be
私はボッブのかわいくて茶色い私の宿題を食べたハムスターを見つけられなかった。
OR
私は私の宿題を食べたボッブのかわいくて茶色いハムスターを見つけられなかった。
or some other variation?

]]> By: maAkusutipen http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6253 maAkusutipen Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:31:24 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6253 Good suggestion. I am now struggling with shiekiukemi form. It's really a tongue twister! hehee Good suggestion. I am now struggling with shiekiukemi form. It’s really a tongue twister! hehee

]]> By: Carl http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2009/09/22/mastering-the-art-of-chain-conjugation/comment-page-1/#comment-6249 Carl Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:41:42 +0000 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/?p=306#comment-6249 Semi-formal must/have to is a pain in the ass in Japanese. Semi-formal must/have to is a pain in the ass in Japanese.

]]>