彼氏彼女の事情 (Page 2 of 4)

Faumdano, Yokohama, thanks very much for your help. The clarification about ぶった being the past form of ぶる was particularly helpful.

Yes, you're both right, it's いるんだなぁ.

Now, one final question… why ところ? Isn't ところ "place" or "location"? I don't understand what it's doing on this sentence.

Sorry for being dense, taniwha, but I still don't understand the part ところ is playing in that sentence.

Edit: Ooh, I think I get it. 優等生ぶったところ = "the situation where she's pretending to be a model student"?

Edit 2: Who could tell. Edict says:

ところ (after the plain past form of a verb) whereupon, as a result

Now it makes perfect sense. Miyazawa is intelligent, charming, cute, as a result she's the perfect student without faking.

I was really surprised to see this mentioned in edict, and not mentioned on any of my books. Both "Japanese Sentence Patterns for Effective Communication" and "The Handbook of Japanese Verbs" list 〜たところ as meaning only "just finished/just happened". The edict explanation makes much more sense in this case.

Last edited by pazu (2007-08-01 22:22:58)

次のページ：

　宮沢：…ふっふっふっふっふ……
　　　　やはり……　人の目にはそう映ってしまうのか……
　　　　群衆より抜きん出た者あこがれの対象として………
　　　　私はそんな自分がとても好きだ
　　　　でも
　　　　この高校に入学して以来。

高校生：有馬くんといい本当にうちの級長は二人ともスゴイよねーーーっ
　　　　あッ
　　　　有馬くん！

　宮沢：私はイラついている
　　　　なぜなら

高校生：私あの人と同じクラスになれてよかったーーーっ

One thing that's been bothering me is the use of てしまう... It's showing up a lot more than I expected. I've learned that てしまう can be used to express 1) an unintended action, often implying some regret; 2) A recently finished task. Neither seems to match what I'm seeing in this text.

The third sentence was a difficult one, with lots of kanji I didn't know, but I think I got it right. See my full translation below.

I'm having some trouble figuring out the line starting with 「有馬くんといい」... sure, I have a broad idea of what it means, but I can't separate the parts, and point exactly what grammar is being used there. Could you guys please help me here?

Last edited by pazu (2007-08-02 14:19:18)

やはり……　人の目には そう映ってしまうの か……
I would take that as being "the complete image"

有馬くんといい本当にうちの級長は二人ともスゴイよね
有馬くんと Arumakun and (wotsername)
いい本当に really good (examples) (?)
うちの級長: among class representatives:
二人とも (they) both
スゴイ magnificent

Actually, from what I can recall, RichVH's

would definitely make sense.

Then again...

Last edited by Garyuchin (2007-08-02 14:36:49)

AといいBといい

When you take two examples, you say 「AといいBといい」.
i.e.
色といい、デザインといい申し分ない Both its color and its design are perfect.

で、in the sentence 「宮沢さんといい」 is omitted, because the praise of her classmates concentrates only Arima.
They doesn't care about Miyazawa and the fact annoies her.

Yep - I looked at the cartoon after I said that, and posted that "then again" - I think I had it right for once.

the aspect of てしまう　means regardless of one's own will.
That is, "my talent and beauty makes naturally and inevitably them keep their eye on me.""The attention on me DOES stand to reason".

The てしまう sounds like a self-cpnceit and narcissism.

ps

カレカノ懐かし～

Last edited by bubblebath (2007-08-02 15:04:24)

You are spot on.

<Garyuchin-san
I take といい as と言い　(would be similar to "speaking of)", not 良い.

ブラジルで、今月１3巻が出た。とても好きだよ！

Last edited by pazu (2007-08-02 17:29:47)

Small correction<pazu
△第１３巻→１３巻(in colloquial Japanese 第～巻 sounds a bit formal.)
×を出した→が出た(the former means (I) published and the latter means the (13th volume) published)

Last edited by bubblebath (2007-08-02 17:27:46)

In this context, 叱正(reprimand and correct) sounds too strong.
「ご指摘、ありがとう！」 sounds proper.

As a side note… I've decided to write down (in Portuguese) my experiences while reading カレカノ. I'll go over every sentence, separating every part, explaining every new grammar. The first page alone produced a huge text. Amazing how much you can learn from a single page, but I hope the amount of new information subsides after a couple chapters, otherwise it's going to be hard to keep up.

I wonder how useful this might be. Has anyone else here gone through a similar experience, i.e., trying to learn Japanese mostly through reading manga (or any other body of text), analyzing and learning as you go? Is there any value in doing this, or the sheer amount of new information introduced in the beginning makes it too difficult to actually learn anything?