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#1 2011-08-25 05:17:22

crapkid
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difference between なる and なす

hi guys. I'm currently translating an article about the 帰宅難民 in Tokyo after the earthquake earlier this year. at one point it says

多くの人々が公衆電話に死をなし

now, I get that the public phones went dead but I was wondering why the author's used なす instead of なる to indicate the change of state. can they be used interchangeably or is there a difference in nuance?

thanks!

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#2 2011-08-25 12:08:58

Lyrencropt
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Re: difference between なる and なす

Would it be possible to post more of the article? I'm having trouble finding anything similar to what you've posted. (in terms of this use of なす)

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#3 2011-08-25 16:15:25

crapkid
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Re: difference between なる and なす

sure, here's the whole first paragraph

東京都心は、まるで災害パニック映画を見ているようだった。しかし、これは現実である。東京湾岸では、千葉県市原市の製油所のガスタンクが激しく燃え、お台場の建設中のビルからは黒煙が上がった。高速道路は封鎖され、JRも地下鉄も完全にストップ。幹線道路は交通渋滞で身動きが取れない。多くの人々が公衆電話に死をなし、つながらなくなった携帯を握りしめている。皇居前にさしかかると、皇居の白い壁の一部がはがれ落ちているのがみえた。

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#4 2011-08-25 22:31:41

踊り子
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Re: difference between なる and なす

Could it be a typo of をなし?

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#5 2011-08-25 23:42:20

Lyrencropt
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Re: difference between なる and なす

Could it be a typo of 列をなし?

This sounds extremely likely to me and fits much better in context. This would be the same as 意味を成す, etc.

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#6 2011-08-26 02:29:22

crapkid
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Re: difference between なる and なす

I don't have the text with me right now so I can't say if I've misread or if it is indeed a typo, but it makes very good sense, 踊り子, especially in connection with following clause.

thanks a lot!

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#7 2011-08-26 02:32:19

crapkid
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Re: difference between なる and なす

still I'd like to hear about the difference between なる and なす... or if you could provide me with a link to a site where I can read about it. are they interchangeable? is the other one just a more archaic variation?

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#8 2011-08-26 02:41:00

Lyrencropt
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Re: difference between なる and なす

I think it might originally be a transitive form of 成る, but I am not sure on that at all.

大辞泉 gives the following definition:

1 (「為す」とも書く)ある行為をする。「無益の事を―・す」「―・すすべもなく敗れる」

        「国のこといとよく―・したりければ」〈落窪・四〉

2 物を作りあげる。仕上げる。また、事をしとげる。「一代にして産を―・す」

3 ある形・状態などをしている。「組織の体を―・していない」「球状を―・す」「門前市を―・す」

4 他の物に変える。他の状態にする。「新しい技法を自己のものと―・す」

        「思はむ子を法師に―・したらむこそ心苦しけれ」〈枕・七〉

5 役や位につかせる。任命する。

        「強ひて帥(そち)に―・し奉りて」〈かげろふ・中〉

6 高貴な方のお出ましを仰ぐ。お出ましのあるようにする。

        「主上を扶(たす)け乗せ進(まゐら)せて陽明門より―・し奉る」〈太平記・二〉

7 (他の動詞の連用形に付いて)意識してそのようにする。わざと…する。「敵と見―・す」

        「中の宮をなむいかで人めかしくも扱ひ―・したてまつらむ」〈源・総角〉

So it can mean to create something, to be in a state, to do something, among other things. In my experience, however, it's mostly used in a few semi-set phrases (look up the word collocation if you haven't before). Apparently 列をなす is one of these. (ex: http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E5% … %E3%81%99)

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#9 2011-08-26 04:06:00

Yokohama
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Re: difference between なる and なす

The difference between なる and なす in the sentence I think is quite simple. なる is an intransitive verb while なす is a transitive.

You can say or only form ~になる: intransitive or ~をなす: transitive.

Examples;
列になる: line up, 列をなす: form a line
群れになる: be in crowds, 群れをなす; form a group
円になる; be in a circle, 円をなす; form a circle

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