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Literally->literary* >> bubblebath
It isn't really in common use, unless you work in Congress (or other legislature), where the yeas and nays are tallied for each vote. However, it is common enough in literature etc. that most native speakers are familiar with it.
Just to add to what richvh already wrote:
It's not really used very much in daily speech, however you can use it for effect, tone etc. Besides feeling old, it feels a little emphatic to me.
[edit] Also,
No, that is incorrect
Nay, that is incorrect
The former for some reason feels more curt and harsh to me.
Last edited by Faumdano (2007-08-06 11:47:09)
Lol, i ve missed a month of time on the forum, and this is the only thread thats been useful to me.
Lol, i ve missed a month of time on the forum, and this is the only thread thats been useful to me.
Things were relatively slow in your absence.
Lucky for me ＾＿‐
Pazu: The real help comes afterwards: ones you understand the sentence, you write it out a few times (from memory), thinking about the meaning. Also, since it's hand-written, it helps with kanji learning.
exactly the way i've been learning how my vocab and japanese kanji!
It helps a bit if you know chinese, since i can figure out some of the words from their chinese meanings 
, and sometimes helps with the readings too.
Now, if i could also master the english language
You seem to be well on your way
What's your Chinese background anyway?
I'm slacking… I was supposed to work on at least one page a day. Oh well…
雪野：おかえりー
月ちゃん♡
かのちゃん♡
月野：姉ちゃん……
あいかわらずユカイなカッコだね〜っ
雪野：え〜〜いいじゃん
だって……コレが一番勉強しやすいんだもん
雪野：皆さん
学校とはずいぶんのギャップじゃねえかとお思いかもしれませんが
……そう私は
見栄っぱりである！
雪野：「上品なワタシ」はただのソトヅラ！
性格いいなんて大ウソ！！
ほんとは私は誰より人に尊敬されたり、アコガレられたり、
特別扱いされたり、ちやほやされたり
一番をとるのが大好きなだけの
雪野：「見栄王」なのです
This page was surprisingly easy to understand. I was able to get everything. My vocabulary still sucks, but it's nothing a good dictionary can't fix. Colloquial forms are killing me, but I'm getting the hang of it. I couldn't figure out things like カッコ being short for かっこう when I started reading this manga, but now I'm getting it just fine.
I'm still having trouble with more natural sentences, like the 「え〜〜いいんじゃんだって……」 and the 「だもん」 ending in the next sequence, and the small writing in the second and last panels.
In the second panel, I can see 「コンタクト」 and 「中学ジャージ」, but there's something written above コンタクト I can't read. In the last panel, I think it's 「ねーちゃん… んなカッコでいばってもさ」. Is んな short for そんな? The sentence also seems somewhat backwards to me. I think it means something like "she's proud even when she's dressed like this"… but if I was constructing this sentence, I would write 「そんな格好いてもいばるさ」… maybe I got something wrong?
Last edited by pazu (2007-08-11 23:05:53)
Pazu:
something written above コンタクト I can't read.
ふだん ＝ いつも - still playing with the rest of it.
カッコでいばってき （？） (as befits the) resolute swaggering type(?) Might fit...
Last edited by Garyuchin (2007-08-11 11:45:48)
there's something written above コンタクト I can't read.
ふだん コンタクト ( "usually wears contacts" )
EDIT: Beaten to it by Garyuchin!
Last edited by Gestalt (2007-08-11 11:40:48)
In the last panel, I think it's 「ねーちゃん… んなカッコでいばってもさ」. Is んな short for そんな? The sentence also seems somewhat backwards to me. I think it means something like "she's proud even when she's dressed like this"… but if I was constructing this sentence, I would write 「そんな格好いてもいばるさ」… maybe I got something wrong?
いばる doesn't quite mean to be proud in this situation, more like to have being haughty, or full of oneself.
yup, んな = そんな
ねーちゃん… んなカッコでいばってもさ = "dressed like that, you can't really go around acting so full of yourself.."
this ～ても is not 'also' but "even if". There is an bit left off after も which is filled in mentally by the reader:
"with an outfit like that, even if you act full of yourself/important.. ( ..no one is going to pay any attention / ..it won't really work etc.) "
The humour here is quite Japanese, because they associate certain attitudes with particular appearances: She's dressed in a crappy school jacket, so being arrogant or full of herself is out of character for what she's wearing.
Last edited by Gestalt (2007-08-11 12:21:02)
No harm in getting confirmation, Gestalt.
That makes it twice I've been right this week... I'm on a roll.
Rats - should have quit while I was ahead.
There is no doubting that you are right, and you fully and intelligibly explained all of it, Gestalt. Congratulations.
Last edited by Garyuchin (2007-08-11 11:58:03)
さすがＧｅｓｔａｌｔさん
説明ってありがとう！
我流チンさんもありがとう
僕に後で入れてももっと上手よね
The humour here is quite Japanese, because they associate certain attitudes with particular appearances: She's dressed in a crappy school jacket, so being arrogant or full of herself is out of character for what she's wearing.
A school jersey is a representaive of dowdy but relaxed outfits in Japan.
Just one piece of additional information needed there. The も (even if) interpretation seems to be foreshadowed by the そんな。 現実か錯覚か？
雪野：え〜〜いいじゃんだって……
コレが一番勉強しやすいんだもん
This part should be,
雪野： え～～、いいじゃん。
だって、、、これが一番勉強しやすいんだもん。
Is it OK now?
なるほど！ Makes a lot more sense now, Osaka Joe. どうもありがとう。
じゃ、訳は "Eeeh… isn't it nice? (I use it) because it's the most comfortable for studying." だろう。
pazu: ですね。
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