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#1 2012-05-27 07:51:38

jdh36457
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(n)に(v)に(v). and (n)を(v)に(v).

Hi all,

I'm reading a book that uses two sentences:
友達に会いに行きます。(I go to meet my friend).
and
友達と寿司を食べに行きました。(I went with my friend to eat sushi).

My question is now:
友達に会いに has the particles に and に whilst
寿司をたべに uses を and に.

Could someone please explain why this is so? The 2nd case is clear but I don't know why the first doesn't use を.

The 2nd question is: I understand that 食べ is the stem of 食べる. But why does 会う gets transformed to 会い? Is the reason for 食べます -> 食べ and 会います -> 会い?

Thank you for help! smile

All the best,
トマス

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#2 2012-05-27 08:09:07

denys55
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Re: (n)に(v)に(v). and (n)を(v)に(v).

食べる is an 一段動詞 (ichi dan verb) and 会う is a 五段動詞 (go dan verb)

The を indicates the direct object, in this case the sushi.

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#3 2012-05-27 08:40:00

jdh36457
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Re: (n)に(v)に(v). and (n)を(v)に(v).

denys55 wrote:

食べる is an 一段動詞 (ichi dan verb) and 会う is a 五段動詞 (go dan verb)
The を indicates the direct object, in this case the sushi.

Thank you for your reply, but you answered the only two things which were clear before I wrote my questions smile

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#4 2012-05-27 10:02:19

Razovsuki
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Re: (n)に(v)に(v). and (n)を(v)に(v).

Actually, denys55's reply is answering the second question as well: you form the stem of 一段動詞 verbs by just removing the final る while you form the stem of 五段動詞 by changing the final kana -- from the -u sound column -- with the kana from the -i sound column of the same row (う→い、く→き、す→し、つ→ち、ぬ→に、む→み、る→り). That's why 会う becomes 会い.

As for the first question, 会う is simply one of those verbs which works with に where you would instinctively put を. It also works with を as well but I've never been quite sure what the difference is between を and に for this verb. I think に is "to go meet someone" (planned) while with を it sounds more like "to run into someone" (unplanned).

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#5 2012-05-27 11:12:52

denys55
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Re: (n)に(v)に(v). and (n)を(v)に(v).

Hi,
会う just doesn't seem to take を. I looked through my dictionary for example sentences with 会う but couldn't find any where it took を. My wife only speaks Japanese but she didn't have any explanation for the reason. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

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#6 2012-05-28 00:31:49

Hinoeuma
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Re: (n)に(v)に(v). and (n)を(v)に(v).

What I'm seeing is this:

友達に会いに行きます。

I (omitted) friend (indirect object) meet (for the purpose of/ in order to) went.) Meeting my friend was the reason I went.

友達と寿司を食べに行きました。

Myself (omitted) friend (and) sushi (direct object) eat (for the purpose of/ in order to) went. (My friend and I went for the purpose of eating sushi.)

I believe in the first sentence, friend is the indirect object of meeting and in the second, friend is part of the group going.

Last edited by Hinoeuma (2012-05-28 00:32:14)


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#7 2012-05-28 01:26:50

Raulsen
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Re: (n)に(v)に(v). and (n)を(v)に(v).

As others have said あう uses に, and has a ますstem of あい.  That sum things up?


なんでここにいるのか?

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#8 2012-05-28 07:27:58

jdh36457
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Re: (n)に(v)に(v). and (n)を(v)に(v).

Raulsen wrote:

As others have said あう uses に, and has a ますstem of あい.  That sum things up?

Yes, thank you all very much. This answers my questions smile

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