{"id":209,"date":"2008-08-14T09:07:46","date_gmt":"2008-08-14T16:07:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/?p=320"},"modified":"2013-01-04T18:53:33","modified_gmt":"2013-01-04T23:53:33","slug":"the-new-joyo-kanj-and-why-we-shouldnt-give-a-damn","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/2008\/08\/14\/the-new-joyo-kanj-and-why-we-shouldnt-give-a-damn\/","title":{"rendered":"The NEW \u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57 and why we shouldn&#8217;t give a damn"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>According to Wikipedia, revision of the \u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57 (J\u014dy\u014d kanji) was first proposed in February 2005 and work began in September of the same year.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>2005\u5e742\u6708\u306b\u56fd\u8a9e\u5206\u79d1\u4f1a\u304c\u300c\u60c5\u5831\u5316\u6642\u4ee3\u306b\u5bfe\u5fdc\u3059\u308b\u305f\u3081\u306b\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u306e\u3042\u308a\u65b9\u3092\u691c\u8a0e\u3059\u3079\u304d\u300d\u3067\u3042\u308b\u3068\u3057\u305f\u5831\u544a\u66f8\u3092\u6587\u5316\u5be9\u8b70\u4f1a\u306b\u63d0\u51fa\u3057\u305f\u3002\u3053\u308c\u3092\u53d7\u3051\u3066\u3001\u540c\u5e743\u6708\u3001\u4e2d\u5c71\u6587\u90e8\u79d1\u5b66\u76f8\u306f\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868\u306e\u898b\u76f4\u3057\u306e\u691c\u8a0e\u306a\u3069\u3092\u6587\u5316\u5be9\u8b70\u4f1a\u306b\u8aee\u554f\u3057\u305f\u3002\u540c\u5e749\u6708\u304b\u3089\u6587\u5316\u5be9\u8b70\u4f1a\u30fb\u56fd\u8a9e\u5206\u79d1\u4f1a\u306e\u6f22\u5b57\u5c0f\u59d4\u54e1\u4f1a\u304c\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u898b\u76f4\u3057\u306e\u5be9\u8b70\u306b\u5165\u3063\u305f\u3002<br \/>\n&#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/ja.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/%E5%B8%B8%E7%94%A8%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97#.E8.A6.8B.E7.9B.B4.E3.81.97\">Wikipedia<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Three years later, there was news as recently as last month of a tentative list to be released in February of 2009. The new list is currently said to have removed 5 kanji and added 188 new ones, bringing the new total from 1945 to 2128 characters.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u6587\u5316\u5be9\u8b70\u4f1a\u56fd\u8a9e\u5206\u79d1\u4f1a\u306e\u6f22\u5b57\u5c0f\u59d4\u54e1\u4f1a\u306f\uff11\uff15\u65e5\u3001\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868\u306b\u65b0\u305f\u306b\u5165\u308c\u308b\u53ef\u80fd\u6027\u306e\u9ad8\u3044\u6f22\u5b57\uff11\uff18\uff18\u5b57\u304b\u3089\u306a\u308b\u5b57\u7a2e\u5019\u88dc\u6848\u3092\u627f\u8a8d\u3057\u305f\u3002\u8a71\u984c\u306b\u306a\u3063\u305f\u300c\u4ffa\uff08\u304a\u308c\uff09\u300d\u3082\u542b\u307e\u308c\u308b\u3002\u4eca\u5f8c\u3001\u97f3\u8a13\u3092\u6c7a\u3081\u308b\u6bb5\u968e\u3084\u3001\u6765\u5e74\uff12\u6708\u306b\u4f5c\u6210\u3055\u308c\u308b\u65b0\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868\uff08\u4eee\u79f0\uff09\u8a66\u6848\u3092\u4fee\u6b63\u3059\u308b\u6bb5\u968e\u3067\u3001\u3053\u306e\u8ffd\u52a0\u5b57\u7a2e\u306e\u6570\u306f\u82e5\u5e72\u5909\u308f\u308b\u53ef\u80fd\u6027\u3082\u3042\u308b\u304c\u3001\u307b\u307c\u56fa\u307e\u3063\u305f\u3002<\/p>\n<p>\u73fe\u884c\u306e\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868\u304b\u3089\u306f\u305a\u3059\u53ef\u80fd\u6027\u304c\u9ad8\u3044\u306e\u306f\u9291\u30fb\u9318\u30fb\u52fa\u30fb\u5301\u30fb\u8139\u3002\uff11\uff19\uff14\uff15\u5b57\u304b\u3089\u306a\u308b\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868\u304b\u3089\u3053\u306e\uff15\u5b57\u3092\u306f\u305a\u3057\u3001\u65b0\u305f\u306b\uff11\uff18\uff18\u5b57\u3092\u8ffd\u52a0\u3059\u308c\u3070\u3001\u65b0\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868\u306f\uff12\uff11\uff12\uff18\u5b57\u3068\u306a\u308b\u3002<br \/>\n&#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.asahi.com\/edu\/news\/TKY200807150350.html\">\u671d\u65e5\uff08\uff12\uff10\uff10\uff18\u5e747\u670815\u65e5\uff09<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The new additions apparently also include the &#8220;controversial&#8221; character \u300c\u4ffa\u300d. Personally, it seems crazy to not include it based on how often it&#8217;s used. And what is so controversial about \u300c\u4ffa\u300d anyway especially considering the fact that they&#8217;re adding kanji like \u300c\u52c3\u300d and \u300c\u6deb\u300d? That&#8217;s just my opinion in any case and I think the difficulty they are having in determining the criteria for what goes in the list is indicative of fundamental problems with the whole idea behind the list in the first place.<\/p>\n<h2>Never let the \u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868 tell you which kanji to learn or not learn<\/h2>\n<p>What is the purpose of the \u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868 anyway? To tell you which kanji to learn? So I&#8217;m supposed to learn \u300c\u65a4\u300d, some obscure unit of measurement but not the kanji for the word &#8220;who&#8221; \uff08\u8ab0\uff09? That makes perfect sense, right?!<\/p>\n<p>Also, why did they even have the removed characters \uff08\u9291\u30fb\u9318\u30fb\u52fa\u30fb\u5301\u30fb\u8139\uff09 in the first place? Was &#8220;pig iron&#8221; commonly used at some point in time? I mean, the list came out the year I was born and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m THAT old. And why haven&#8217;t they removed stuff like \u755d or \u9013 yet? I don&#8217;t think they come even close to falling in the category of &#8220;common usage&#8221; no matter how you define it.<\/p>\n<p>And <em>now<\/em>, almost 30 years later they&#8217;re finally going to add kanji for words like &#8220;smell&#8221; \uff08\u5302\u3044\uff09, &#8220;loose&#8221; \uff08\u7de9\u3044\uff09, &#8220;nail&#8221; \uff08\u722a\uff09, and &#8220;butt&#8221; \uff08\u304a\u5c3b\uff09 in 2010? What kind of crap list were we using all these years?<\/p>\n<p>The list burned me personally when I bought my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/2008\/08\/22\/learner-dictionaries-the-ultimate-oxymoron\/\">first kanji dictionary<\/a>. It only had the \u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57 because after all, that&#8217;s all we need to know, right? Well, one of the FIRST words I encountered in my self-study was \u300c\u77b3\u300d and guess what, it&#8217;s not in the list! If I had known better, I would have never wasted money on anything that only covered the \u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57.<\/p>\n<p>Thankfully, I later found an online dictionary that didn&#8217;t use the \u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868 as an excuse to be <em>lazy<\/em> and saved me from quitting Japanese in frustration. For comparison, the \u6f22\u5b57\u6e90 in my Canon G90 has 13,112 characters, almost <strong>16x<\/strong> what my first crap dictionary had.<\/p>\n<h2>Don&#8217;t fall into the trap of learning from a list<\/h2>\n<p>In my opinion, the worst problem with the list is that it fools innocent learners such as you and I into thinking we should use it somehow in our studies. The thinking goes, &#8220;Hey here&#8217;s a list of (supposedly) common kanji. I should make up some index cards and memorize them one by one.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>However, what many beginners don&#8217;t realize is that you have to be some kind of super-genius to memorize 1945 characters with absolutely no context. Even if you DID somehow manage to memorize them all, you&#8217;re not learning any real words, you have no idea which readings are used and when, and you have no sense of when and how it&#8217;s used. Where&#8217;s the reading material, vocabulary, and conversation practice? It&#8217;s like putting the cart before the horse AND sitting in the seat backwards.<\/p>\n<p>The first character on the list is \u300c\u4e9c\u300d for crying out loud! For all you know, that&#8217;s the most useful character in the world when in fact I have never used it in all my years of study. Do YOU write \u300c\u30a2\u30b8\u30a2\u300d and \u300c\u30a2\u30e1\u30ea\u30ab\u300d as \u300c\u4e9c\u7d30\u4e9c\u300d and \u300c\u4e9c\u7c73\u5229\u52a0\u300d? I sure hope not! I thought for a second that maybe it&#8217;s used in the word \u300c\u5516\u7136\u300d but no, not even! If anything, \u300c\u5516\u300d belongs in the list much more than \u300c\u4e9c\u300d if you ask me. Obviously, they never consulted me (I was -2 months old at the time) and no, it&#8217;s not in the list.<\/p>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know, maybe the list has some good uses for educators, policy makers, publishers, and whatnot. It&#8217;s certainly better to have an improved version over the crappy one we have now. But I can&#8217;t help but think it was overused throughout the years and caused more harm than good for people learning Japanese. Personally, I think we would have been better off without the damn list in the first place.<\/p>\n<p>The bottom line is whatever new list they come up with and no matter how &#8220;good&#8221; it is (whatever that means), we should always think of it as a guide and never forget to use good ol&#8217; common sense.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>According to Wikipedia, revision of the \u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57 (J\u014dy\u014d kanji) was first proposed in February 2005 and work began in September of the same year. 2005\u5e742\u6708\u306b\u56fd\u8a9e\u5206\u79d1\u4f1a\u304c\u300c\u60c5\u5831\u5316\u6642\u4ee3\u306b\u5bfe\u5fdc\u3059\u308b\u305f\u3081\u306b\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u306e\u3042\u308a\u65b9\u3092\u691c\u8a0e\u3059\u3079\u304d\u300d\u3067\u3042\u308b\u3068\u3057\u305f\u5831\u544a\u66f8\u3092\u6587\u5316\u5be9\u8b70\u4f1a\u306b\u63d0\u51fa\u3057\u305f\u3002\u3053\u308c\u3092\u53d7\u3051\u3066\u3001\u540c\u5e743\u6708\u3001\u4e2d\u5c71\u6587\u90e8\u79d1\u5b66\u76f8\u306f\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u8868\u306e\u898b\u76f4\u3057\u306e\u691c\u8a0e\u306a\u3069\u3092\u6587\u5316\u5be9\u8b70\u4f1a\u306b\u8aee\u554f\u3057\u305f\u3002\u540c\u5e749\u6708\u304b\u3089\u6587\u5316\u5be9\u8b70\u4f1a\u30fb\u56fd\u8a9e\u5206\u79d1\u4f1a\u306e\u6f22\u5b57\u5c0f\u59d4\u54e1\u4f1a\u304c\u5e38\u7528\u6f22\u5b57\u898b\u76f4\u3057\u306e\u5be9\u8b70\u306b\u5165\u3063\u305f\u3002 &#8211; Wikipedia Three years later, there was news as recently as last month of a &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/2008\/08\/14\/the-new-joyo-kanj-and-why-we-shouldnt-give-a-damn\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,11,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-209","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-advanced","category-kanji","category-learning-resources"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/209","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=209"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/209\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=209"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=209"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=209"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}