{"id":279,"date":"2009-03-22T19:36:27","date_gmt":"2009-03-23T00:36:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/?p=279"},"modified":"2009-03-23T12:19:00","modified_gmt":"2009-03-23T17:19:00","slug":"when-to-use-and-not-use-grammar","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/2009\/03\/22\/when-to-use-and-not-use-grammar\/","title":{"rendered":"When to use (and not use) grammar"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m a huge believer in using grammar as a tool for understanding and learning how to speak Japanese. So much so that I built a whole website about it. However, when I ran across a list of Korean irregular verbs while going through Google Reader, I began to wonder whether grammar is always a useful tool.<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com\/2009\/03\/what-are-koreas-irregular-verbs.html\">list<\/a> contains only 10 verbs, not nearly as many as I remember from my horrible experiences in High School Spanish. Still, that&#8217;s far more than the 2 in Japanese and the author mentions that he will continue to add to the list as time allows.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking of Spanish, I shudder when I think back to memorizing all the various verb tenses in singular\/plural and 1st\/2nd\/3rd person for each irregular verb. When I see a <a href=\"http:\/\/spanish.speak7.com\/spanish_detailed_irregular_verbs.htm\">page<\/a> that lists 200 <i>common<\/i> (not all!) irregular verbs, I can only think that learning grammar here becomes more of an hindrance than an aid.<\/p>\n<p>Thankfully, Japanese grammar is simple and consistent enough to become a powerful tool for learning how to easily handle any arbitrary verb or adjective. But it&#8217;s good to keep in mind that it&#8217;s only a tool nonetheless. I think there&#8217;s a fuzzy line where too many exceptions, rules, and inconsistencies can render grammar a rather cumbersome and limited tool for the learner.<\/p>\n<p>English and Spanish, I would say easily crosses that line. Personally, I&#8217;ve never used Pimsleur but there&#8217;s an argument to be made for learning how people say things without really understanding how the grammar works <i>for some languages<\/i> (not Japanese). After all, native speakers usually don&#8217;t know all the grammar rules for their language. They just <i>know<\/i> what sounds right from experience.<\/p>\n<p>However, Korean grammar is kind of between Japanese and English in terms of complexity. There&#8217;s an excellent website called <a href=\"http:\/\/parksguide.blogspot.com\/\">Luke Park&#8217;s Guide to Korean Grammar<\/a>, which has slowly grown into a very nice resource. However, when I see 5 rules just to get the present informal tense when Japanese has none, I think, &#8220;Japanese is awesome!&#8221; and &#8220;Wow, Korean looks hard!&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>From <a href=\"http:\/\/parksguide.blogspot.com\/2006\/11\/very-useful-verbs.html\">http:\/\/parksguide.blogspot.com\/2006\/11\/very-useful-verbs.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>II. Plain Form \u2192 Present Tense (Spoken)<\/p>\n<p>\u25cf Rules <\/p>\n<p>1. For verbs with \u314f\/\u3153 and no final consonant, just take \ub2e4 off.<br \/>\nExceptions: A verb with \ud558 as a final letter, \ud558 changes to \ud574.<\/p>\n<p>2. For verbs with \u3157\/\u315c and no final consonant, add \u314f for \u3157 verbs and \u3153 for \u315c verbs.<\/p>\n<p>3. For a verb with \ub974 as a final letter, add \u3139 to a letter before \ub974 and \ub974 changes to \ub77c for \u314f\/\u3157 verbs and \ub7ec for \u3153\/\u315c\/\u3163 verbs.<\/p>\n<p>4. For a verb with l and no final consonant, change \u3163to \uc5ec.<\/p>\n<p>5. For a verb with a final consonant, first take \ub2e4 off then add \uc544 for \u314f\/\u3157 verbs, and \uc5b4 for \u3153\/\u315c verbs.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Since the rules are based on phonetic vowel sounds, maybe it&#8217;s better to just wing it and let your ears and listening practice do the work instead of your brain. I&#8217;d be interested in hearing people&#8217;s experiences in learning Korean.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m a huge believer in using grammar as a tool for understanding and learning how to speak Japanese. So much so that I built a whole website about it. However, when I ran across a list of Korean irregular verbs &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/2009\/03\/22\/when-to-use-and-not-use-grammar\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,12,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-279","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-grammar","category-korean","category-learning-resources"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/279","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=279"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/279\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=279"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=279"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=279"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}