{"id":57,"date":"2011-08-31T12:00:09","date_gmt":"2011-08-31T17:00:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nihongo.3yen.com\/?p=21"},"modified":"2011-09-01T11:18:34","modified_gmt":"2011-09-01T16:18:34","slug":"saying-more-than-this-and-that","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/2011\/08\/31\/saying-more-than-this-and-that\/","title":{"rendered":"Saying more than this and that"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the first batch of words that students of Japanese usually learn is the \u300c\u3053\u300d\u3001\u300c\u305d\u300d\u3001\u300c\u3042\u300d\u3001\u300c\u3069\u300d series of words for things and locations.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>\u3053\u308c &#8211; this<\/li>\n<li>\u305d\u308c &#8211; that<\/li>\n<li>\u3042\u308c &#8211; that (over there)<\/li>\n<li>\u3069\u308c &#8211; which<\/li>\n<li>\u3053\u3053 &#8211; here<\/li>\n<li>\u305d\u3053 &#8211; there<\/li>\n<li>\u3042\u305d\u3053 &#8211; over there<\/li>\n<li>\u3069\u3053 &#8211; where<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Most will also probably learn the shortened version of \u300c\u3053\u308c\u306e\u300d etc. such as \u300c\u3053\u306e\u300d. And that&#8217;s usually about all that&#8217;s ever covered even though there&#8217;s a bunch more \u300c\u3053\u300d\u3001\u300c\u305d\u300d\u3001\u300c\u3042\u300d vocabulary that are really useful! So let&#8217;s look at a few.<\/p>\n<h2>Like this\/that<\/h2>\n<p>You know how you&#8217;re not supposed to use the word &#8220;like&#8221; all the time. Well, we all do anyway because it&#8217;s so useful, right? The \u300c\u3053\u3046\u3001\u305d\u3046\u3001\u3042\u3042\u300d series of words are arguably just as useful.<\/p>\n<p>If somebody asks you how to do something, one common answer is &#8220;do it like this or that&#8221; and that&#8217;s exactly what \u300c\u3053\u3046\u3001\u305d\u3046\u3001\u3042\u3042\u300d means. Now you see where \u300c\u305d\u3046\u3067\u3059\u300d comes from.<\/p>\n<p>A: \u3053\u306e\u6f22\u5b57\u306f\u3069\u3046\u66f8\u304f\u3093\u3067\u3059\u304b\uff1f<br \/>\nA: How do you write this Kanji?<\/p>\n<p>B: <b>\u3053\u3046<\/b>\u66f8\u304d\u307e\u3059\u3002<br \/>\nB: You write it like this.<\/p>\n<p>The real power from these words come when you combine them with \u300c\u3044\u3046\u300d to define what something is like. The English equivalent would be &#8220;this\/that kind of thing&#8221;. It&#8217;s a great way to talk about abstract or complicated matters.<\/p>\n<h3>Examples<\/h3>\n<ol>\n<li><b>\u305d\u3046\u3044\u3046<\/b>\u96e3\u3057\u3044\u8a71\u306f\u3001\u3088\u304f\u308f\u304b\u3093\u306a\u3044\u3088\u3002<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t understand that kind of difficult talk (topic).<\/li>\n<li><b>\u3053\u3046\u3044\u3046<\/b>\u6642\u306b\u306f\u3001\u672c\u5f53\u306b\u4f55\u3082\u3059\u308b\u6c17\u304c\u306a\u3044\u3093\u3060\u3088\u306a\u3002<br \/>\nReally don&#8217;t feel like doing anything in times like these.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>You can extend this further by attaching \u300c\u98a8\u300d (pronounced \u300c\u3075\u3046\u300d in this case), to describe a certain way of doing things.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>\u3053\u306e\u6f22\u5b57\u306f<b>\u3053\u3046\u3044\u3046\u98a8<\/b>\u306b\u66f8\u304f\u306e\u3088\u3002<br \/>\nYou write this Kanji in this kind of style\/manner.\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2>This\/that much?<\/h2>\n<p>Another incredibly useful series of words are: \u300c\u3053\u3093\u306a\u3001\u305d\u3093\u306a\u3001\u3042\u3093\u306a\u300d. Combined with the \u300c\u306b\u300d particle, these words will allow you to say common things like &#8220;Are you <b>that<\/b> hungry?&#8221; or &#8220;Did you have to buy <b>this<\/b> much?&#8221;. You can also use them without the \u300c\u306b\u300d particle but the meaning is a bit hard to explain and is not used as often (in my opinion).<\/p>\n<h3>Examples<\/h3>\n<ol>\n<li><b>\u305d\u3093\u306a\u306b<\/b>\u304a\u8179\u304c\u7a7a\u3044\u3066\u3044\u308b\u306e\uff1f<br \/>\nAre you <b>that<\/b> hungry?<\/li>\n<li><b>\u3053\u3093\u306a\u306b<\/b>\u305f\u304f\u3055\u3093\u8cb7\u3046\u5fc5\u8981\u304c\u3042\u3063\u305f\u306e\uff1f<br \/>\nDid you have to buy <b>this<\/b> much?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2>Comparison<\/h2>\n<p>If you&#8217;ve learned the grammar for comparisons, you are probably already familiar with the phrase \u300c\u3069\u3061\u3089\u306e\u65b9\u304c\u300d. This literally means &#8220;which way&#8221; which you can obviously answer with &#8220;this or that way&#8221;. It can also be used for plain directions as well, of course.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>\u3053\u3061\u3089 &#8211; this<\/li>\n<li>\u305d\u3061\u3089 &#8211; that<\/li>\n<li>\u3042\u3061\u3089 &#8211; that (over there)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2>Etc<\/h2>\n<p>There are others like \u300c\u3053\u3044\u3064\u3001\u305d\u3044\u3064\u3001\u3042\u3044\u3064\u300d that I&#8217;m not going to discuss here. I don&#8217;t want to be accused of corrupting the pure and proper Japanese that is taught in most classes. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the first batch of words that students of Japanese usually learn is the \u300c\u3053\u300d\u3001\u300c\u305d\u300d\u3001\u300c\u3042\u300d\u3001\u300c\u3069\u300d series of words for things and locations. \u3053\u308c &#8211; this \u305d\u308c &#8211; that \u3042\u308c &#8211; that (over there) \u3069\u308c &#8211; which \u3053\u3053 &#8211; here &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/2011\/08\/31\/saying-more-than-this-and-that\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,20],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-57","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-beginner","category-vocabulary"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/57","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=57"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/57\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=57"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=57"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.guidetojapanese.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=57"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}